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SchismaticKennels
Number of posts : 122 Location : TN Registration date : 2007-03-05
| Subject: GAFF Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:57 am | |
| Well, I figure since no one is participating, I'm just going to throw a couple out there, and see what you guys come up with. | |
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GSDBulldog
Number of posts : 39 Registration date : 2007-03-04
| Subject: Re: GAFF Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:15 am | |
| I can tell you that the line is infamous for heart defects. | |
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mindovermatter
Number of posts : 364 Age : 53 Location : Mchigan Registration date : 2007-03-06
| Subject: Re: GAFF Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:57 am | |
| - GSDBulldog wrote:
- I can tell you that the line is infamous for heart defects.
you have a link to provide to go with your information? | |
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GSDBulldog
Number of posts : 39 Registration date : 2007-03-04
| Subject: Re: GAFF Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:22 am | |
| - mindovermatter wrote:
- GSDBulldog wrote:
- I can tell you that the line is infamous for heart defects.
you have a link to provide to go with your information? No, but it's common knowledge, and I can put you in contact with people who have seen it first hand. And you can bet that they aren't alone. I'm not "bashing" the Gaff line. While they aren't my cup o' tea, I have seen some nicely built staffs come off of it. It is just unfortunate that health testing has taken a back-seat to looks. | |
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SchismaticKennels
Number of posts : 122 Location : TN Registration date : 2007-03-05
| Subject: Re: GAFF Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:48 am | |
| - mindovermatter wrote:
- GSDBulldog wrote:
- I can tell you that the line is infamous for heart defects.
you have a link to provide to go with your information? I'd like to see some information regarding this as well. Afterall, the whole purpose was to enlighten someone with your own personal experience and information from other website that would support this information. | |
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mindovermatter
Number of posts : 364 Age : 53 Location : Mchigan Registration date : 2007-03-06
| Subject: Re: GAFF Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:20 pm | |
| - SchismaticKennels wrote:
- mindovermatter wrote:
- GSDBulldog wrote:
- I can tell you that the line is infamous for heart defects.
you have a link to provide to go with your information? I'd like to see some information regarding this as well. Afterall, the whole purpose was to enlighten someone with your own personal experience and information from other website that would support this information. This was why I asked for a link as well. | |
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mindovermatter
Number of posts : 364 Age : 53 Location : Mchigan Registration date : 2007-03-06
| Subject: Re: GAFF Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:28 pm | |
| As of right now from what I can find there is no information on the history of Gaff lines they do have a website and I am emailing Pam Carter (of Gaff Kennels) to see if she will give us a breif history of her lines.
Gaff Kennels did recieve a Lifetime Achievement Award for longevity & consistency of Gaff Kennels October 28th 2006
here is her webiste link and the link to the Gaff board
Gaff Kennels website
MSN Gaff Board
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SchismaticKennels
Number of posts : 122 Location : TN Registration date : 2007-03-05
| Subject: Re: GAFF Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:19 pm | |
| - mindovermatter wrote:
- As of right now from what I can find there is no information on the history of Gaff lines they do have a website and I am emailing Pam Carter (of Gaff Kennels) to see if she will give us a breif history of her lines.
Gaff Kennels did recieve a Lifetime Achievement Award for longevity & consistency of Gaff Kennels October 28th 2006
here is her webiste link and the link to the Gaff board
Gaff Kennels website
MSN Gaff Board
Good deal. I knew as well they had received the award. | |
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Dunlap Site Owner
Number of posts : 1083 Age : 39 Location : east Texas Registration date : 2007-03-04
| Subject: Re: GAFF Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:25 am | |
| There is a member here who is big into Gaff lines IF they would post... I honestly dont have anything to offer on the line so maybe I'll learn something about them here. But I THINK that they are an AmStaff line...I think | |
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mindovermatter
Number of posts : 364 Age : 53 Location : Mchigan Registration date : 2007-03-06
| Subject: Re: GAFF Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:48 am | |
| - Dunlap wrote:
- There is a member here who is big into Gaff lines IF they would post... I honestly dont have anything to offer on the line so maybe I'll learn something about them here. But I THINK that they are an AmStaff line...I think
I have some Gaff stuff in my yard.. Akando and Huck are Gaff and Gremlin has a bit of Gaff in his background. From my experience with the line they have wonderful temperments!
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Dunlap Site Owner
Number of posts : 1083 Age : 39 Location : east Texas Registration date : 2007-03-04
| Subject: Re: GAFF Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:06 am | |
| I've been looking and looking but havent found anything other than breeders....I cant find ANY history for them??? | |
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mindovermatter
Number of posts : 364 Age : 53 Location : Mchigan Registration date : 2007-03-06
| Subject: Re: GAFF Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:47 am | |
| I beleive that Pam Carter was one of the orginators of the line if not THE orginator of the line.. I have emailed her to get some information on the line but have not heard back from her I am pretty dissapointed to say the least. | |
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Dunlap Site Owner
Number of posts : 1083 Age : 39 Location : east Texas Registration date : 2007-03-04
| Subject: Re: GAFF Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:58 pm | |
| - mindovermatter wrote:
- I beleive that Pam Carter was one of the orginators of the line if not THE orginator of the line.. I have emailed her to get some information on the line but have not heard back from her I am pretty dissapointed to say the least.
would you send me a pm with her e-mail address? | |
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nnnbullies
Number of posts : 25 Registration date : 2007-03-10
| Subject: Re: GAFF Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:31 am | |
| there are heart defects in the gaff line gaff's bouncer died from heart problems at 4 it also pops up with gaff's primetime his owner knew he had a heart defect and continued to breed him
Gaff dogs are over done. They are bully show dogs. along with being overdone comes health problems. They arent nearly as bad as bullies though. Just research before you buy a gaff dog | |
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nnnbullies
Number of posts : 25 Registration date : 2007-03-10
| Subject: Re: GAFF Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:33 am | |
| btw yes pam carter created the gaff bloodline she was breeding dogs with her husband they split he took all the dogs then she started off fresh. She was remarried her new husbands last name was gaffney she shortened it and came up with Gaff.
It's been a while since i read that story though | |
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Dunlap Site Owner
Number of posts : 1083 Age : 39 Location : east Texas Registration date : 2007-03-04
| Subject: Re: GAFF Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:47 am | |
| - nnnbullies wrote:
- btw yes pam carter created the gaff bloodline
she was breeding dogs with her husband they split he took all the dogs then she started off fresh. She was remarried her new husbands last name was gaffney she shortened it and came up with Gaff.
It's been a while since i read that story though Do you have a link to where you got this info. from Amanda? | |
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shadowwolf
Number of posts : 220 Age : 40 Registration date : 2007-04-04
| Subject: Re: GAFF Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:56 am | |
| - nnnbullies wrote:
- Gaff dogs are over done. They are bully show dogs. along with being overdone comes health problems. They arent nearly as bad as bullies though. Just research before you buy a gaff dog
Not all dogs out of a single line are bully and overdone. I've seen some VERY nice, trim working bulldogs of Gaff lines. | |
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nnnbullies
Number of posts : 25 Registration date : 2007-03-10
| Subject: Re: GAFF Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:02 am | |
| there are allllllllot of overdone gaff dogs they tend to be bullier show dogs most gaff dogs never make it to the show ring because of it pam loves bullies she's a proud member of the abkc and and as far as working gaff dogs very few they weren't bred to perform they were bred for looks gaff dogs have the build of an amstaff just about anyone who shows ukc will tell you that. They're great for bringing some size into your breeding program. Also a great outcross for bully breeders they can maintain the size and bring some confirmation back into the line
josh yea but the page is down right now | |
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nnnbullies
Number of posts : 25 Registration date : 2007-03-10
| Subject: Re: GAFF Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:01 am | |
| - shadowwolf wrote:
- nnnbullies wrote:
- Gaff dogs are over done. They are bully show dogs. along with being overdone comes health problems. They arent nearly as bad as bullies though. Just research before you buy a gaff dog
Not all dogs out of a single line are bully and overdone. I've seen some VERY nice, trim working bulldogs of Gaff lines. Btw I never Said ALL gaff dogs are.............. I've seen RE and Gotti dogs work too. | |
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tonka
Number of posts : 27 Location : South Alabama Registration date : 2007-04-03
| Subject: Re: GAFF Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:10 pm | |
| i see alot of gaff dogs that are turning to the american bully side... not knocking the line just alot of the bully around here in the gaff line | |
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lopchad
Number of posts : 4 Registration date : 2007-06-16
| Subject: Re: GAFF Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:26 am | |
| I HAVE SEEN ALOT OF GAFF DOGS THAT HAVE WORKING TITLES. | |
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lopchad
Number of posts : 4 Registration date : 2007-06-16
| Subject: Re: GAFF Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:34 am | |
| - nnnbullies wrote:
- there are heart defects in the gaff line
gaff's bouncer died from heart problems at 4 it also pops up with gaff's primetime his owner knew he had a heart defect and continued to breed him I'm sorry but this statement of yours is slander, Primetime does not have any heart defects. Better watch what you say or better yet post your proof of source of information. | |
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tonka
Number of posts : 27 Location : South Alabama Registration date : 2007-04-03
| Subject: Re: GAFF Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:01 am | |
| - lopchad wrote:
- I HAVE SEEN ALOT OF GAFF DOGS THAT HAVE WORKING TITLES.
I AM NOT BASHING THIS LINE I AM TELLINGYOU WHAT "I" SEE ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS.. THESE ALSO MAY NOT BE YOUR "TRUE" GAFF DOGS EITHER JSU GOING BY THE PEDS I SEE AND THE WORD I HEAR. Tony | |
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shadowwolf
Number of posts : 220 Age : 40 Registration date : 2007-04-04
| Subject: Re: GAFF Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:22 pm | |
| - tonka wrote:
- lopchad wrote:
- I HAVE SEEN ALOT OF GAFF DOGS THAT HAVE WORKING TITLES.
I AM NOT BASHING THIS LINE I AM TELLINGYOU WHAT "I" SEE ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS.. THESE ALSO MAY NOT BE YOUR "TRUE" GAFF DOGS EITHER JSU GOING BY THE PEDS I SEE AND THE WORD I HEAR.
Tony Hey Tony, I don't think that Lopchad is saying you were bashing the line. I think they were saying what they've seen/heard. | |
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mindovermatter
Number of posts : 364 Age : 53 Location : Mchigan Registration date : 2007-03-06
| Subject: Re: GAFF Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:56 am | |
| Well Pam Carter started out in 1980 and was mentored by the great Dick and Nancy Jones of Tufftown Kennels. She purchased GRCH PR Our Gangs Seiko a pup and GRCH Tufftown's Sophie (Siekos aunt). These two were eventually bred a few times and in the second litter a legend was born. CH Devenport's Coolhand Luke (Top Guns sire) Who was sold to Roger Devenport orginator of Knolwoods Kennels. Well Richard used Luke as his foundation male and eventually added in some wizard Gator blood from Benny Cheeks who started out UKC and is now world renowned for his AKC BENMAR dogs.. Roger was like a darwin effect he evolutionized the apbt of the time and made them shorter but maintained bone, substance, chest, head and overall breed type. Well Roger bought a tyrrar bitch (AKC) Trixie and bred her to Luke(UKC) and produced GRCH Knowlwoods Dusty, Dusty was then bred to Gator and produced GRCH Knowlwoods Kellsey (TOP GUNS DAM). Well unfortunately after a few years of great sucess and lots of Luck Roger left the breed and Luke was offered back to his breeder Pam Carter. And along the way Pam bought a beautiful 6 month old female from Roger (Kellsey) who at 6 months old her first time in the ring she won Best of Breed Handled by Roger who regreted ever selling her lol. Pam Took Granpa Luke to his Grandaughter Kellsey and Top Gun, Grace, Dolly, Liston, Lexxus and many other greats were born. And that is part of the way it all began
"Here is some information given to me by Pam Carter from Gaff Kennels; Although the American Staffordshire Terrier gained American Kennel Club registration and recognition in 1936; few people have studied the AKC registration history, but I find it very interesting. The official standard for the American Staffordshire Terrier was written on June 10th 1936. Prior to 1936, all Staffordshire Terriers were UKC registered American Pit Bull Terriers, if they were registered at all. For a time during the 50's and early 60's, a UKC registered American Pit Bull Terriers, could be shown in AKC conformation shows with Staffordshire Terriers and be awarded Champion status; however those dogs could not be bred into Staffordshire Terrier bloodlines. On February 18, 1960 the AKC changed that rule; thus allowing many more American Pit Bull Terriers from from both Irish and English backgrounds be added into the AKC stud books. A registered UKC American Pit Bull Terrier, who had one AKC dog in their first 3 generations and had a 3 point AKC conformation show win could be bred to a AKC registered Staffordshire Terrier. The offspring could be registered with the AKC if the owner of the AKC dog petitioned the AKC not earlier then 60 days nor later then 3 weeks prior to the contemplated breeding. Both owners had to certify to the breeding and the resulting litter had to be submitted to the AKC not later then 60 days from the date of whelping. This rule change only lasted for 3 years after which the AKC stud books were closed; the American Pit Bull Terrier was no longer permitted to register with AKC and thus creating a tight gene pool for the Staffordshire Terrier"
this is from the "Gaff board"
http://groups.msn.com/Gaff/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=32766&LastModified=4675629613574940119
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