GAFF

Subject: GAFF Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:57 am

Well, I figure since no one is participating, I'm just going to throw a couple out there, and see what you guys come up with. Cool

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I can tell you that the line is infamous for heart defects.

Subject: Re: GAFF Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:57 am

GSDBulldog wrote:: I can tell you that the line is infamous for heart defects.

you have a link to provide to go with your information?

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mindovermatter wrote:

GSDBulldog wrote:: I can tell you that the line is infamous for heart defects.

you have a link to provide to go with your information?

No, but it's common knowledge, and I can put you in contact with people who have seen it first hand. And you can bet that they aren't alone.

I'm not "bashing" the Gaff line. While they aren't my cup o' tea, I have seen some nicely built staffs come off of it. It is just unfortunate that health testing has taken a back-seat to looks.

Subject: Re: GAFF Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:48 am

mindovermatter wrote:

GSDBulldog wrote:: I can tell you that the line is infamous for heart defects.

you have a link to provide to go with your information?

I'd like to see some information regarding this as well. Afterall, the whole purpose was to enlighten someone with your own personal experience and information from other website that would support this information.

Subject: Re: GAFF Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:20 pm

SchismaticKennels wrote:

mindovermatter wrote:

GSDBulldog wrote:: I can tell you that the line is infamous for heart defects.

you have a link to provide to go with your information?

I'd like to see some information regarding this as well. Afterall, the whole purpose was to enlighten someone with your own personal experience and information from other website that would support this information.

This was why I asked for a link as well.

Subject: Re: GAFF Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:28 pm

As of right now from what I can find there is no information on the history of Gaff lines they do have a website and I am emailing Pam Carter (of Gaff Kennels) to see if she will give us a breif history of her lines.

Gaff Kennels did recieve a Lifetime Achievement Award for longevity & consistency of Gaff Kennels October 28th 2006

here is her webiste link and the link to the Gaff board

Gaff Kennels website

MSN Gaff Board

Subject: Re: GAFF Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:19 pm

mindovermatter wrote:: As of right now from what I can find there is no information on the history of Gaff lines they do have a website and I am emailing Pam Carter (of Gaff Kennels) to see if she will give us a breif history of her lines.

Gaff Kennels did recieve a Lifetime Achievement Award for longevity & consistency of Gaff Kennels October 28th 2006

here is her webiste link and the link to the Gaff board

Gaff Kennels website

MSN Gaff Board

Good deal. I knew as well they had received the award. Smile

Subject: Re: GAFF Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:25 am

There is a member here who is big into Gaff lines IF they would post... I honestly dont have anything to offer on the line so maybe I'll learn something about them here. But I THINK that they are an AmStaff line...I think

Subject: Re: GAFF Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:48 am

Dunlap wrote:: There is a member here who is big into Gaff lines IF they would post... I honestly dont have anything to offer on the line so maybe I'll learn something about them here. But I THINK that they are an AmStaff line...I think

I have some Gaff stuff in my yard.. Akando and Huck are Gaff and Gremlin has a bit of Gaff in his background.

From my experience with the line they have wonderful temperments!

Subject: Re: GAFF Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:06 am

I've been looking and looking but havent found anything other than breeders....I cant find ANY history for them???

Subject: Re: GAFF Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:47 am

I beleive that Pam Carter was one of the orginators of the line if not THE orginator of the line.. I have emailed her to get some information on the line but have not heard back from her I am pretty dissapointed to say the least.

Subject: Re: GAFF Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:58 pm

mindovermatter wrote:: I beleive that Pam Carter was one of the orginators of the line if not THE orginator of the line.. I have emailed her to get some information on the line but have not heard back from her I am pretty dissapointed to say the least.

would you send me a pm with her e-mail address?

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there are heart defects in the gaff line
gaff's bouncer died from heart problems at 4
it also pops up with gaff's primetime his owner knew he had a heart defect and continued to breed him

Gaff dogs are over done. They are bully show dogs. along with being overdone comes health problems. They arent nearly as bad as bullies though. Just research before you buy a gaff dog

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btw yes pam carter created the gaff bloodline
she was breeding dogs with her husband they split he took all the dogs
then she started off fresh. She was remarried her new husbands last name was gaffney she shortened it and came up with Gaff.

It's been a while since i read that story though

Subject: Re: GAFF Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:47 am

nnnbullies wrote:: btw yes pam carter created the gaff bloodline
she was breeding dogs with her husband they split he took all the dogs
then she started off fresh. She was remarried her new husbands last name was gaffney she shortened it and came up with Gaff.

It's been a while since i read that story though

Do you have a link to where you got this info. from Amanda?

Subject: Re: GAFF Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:56 am

nnnbullies wrote:: Gaff dogs are over done. They are bully show dogs. along with being overdone comes health problems. They arent nearly as bad as bullies though. Just research before you buy a gaff dog

Not all dogs out of a single line are bully and overdone. I've seen some VERY nice, trim working bulldogs of Gaff lines.

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there are allllllllot of overdone gaff dogs
they tend to be bullier show dogs
most gaff dogs never make it to the show ring because of it
pam loves bullies she's a proud member of the abkc and
and as far as working gaff dogs very few they weren't bred to perform they were bred for looks
gaff dogs have the build of an amstaff just about anyone who shows ukc will tell you that. They're great for bringing some size into your breeding program. Also a great outcross for bully breeders they can maintain the size and bring some confirmation back into the line

josh yea but the page is down right now

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shadowwolf wrote:

nnnbullies wrote:: Gaff dogs are over done. They are bully show dogs. along with being overdone comes health problems. They arent nearly as bad as bullies though. Just research before you buy a gaff dog

Not all dogs out of a single line are bully and overdone. I've seen some VERY nice, trim working bulldogs of Gaff lines.

Btw I never Said ALL gaff dogs are..............
I've seen RE and Gotti dogs work too. Shocked

Subject: Re: GAFF Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:10 pm

i see alot of gaff dogs that are turning to the american bully side... not knocking the line just alot of the bully around here in the gaff line

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I HAVE SEEN ALOT OF GAFF DOGS THAT HAVE WORKING TITLES.

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nnnbullies wrote:: there are heart defects in the gaff line
gaff's bouncer died from heart problems at 4
it also pops up with gaff's primetime his owner knew he had a heart defect and continued to breed him

I'm sorry but this statement of yours is slander, Primetime does not have any heart defects.

Better watch what you say or better yet post your proof of source of information.

Subject: Re: GAFF Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:01 am

lopchad wrote:: I HAVE SEEN ALOT OF GAFF DOGS THAT HAVE WORKING TITLES.

I AM NOT BASHING THIS LINE I AM TELLINGYOU WHAT "I" SEE ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS.. THESE ALSO MAY NOT BE YOUR "TRUE" GAFF DOGS EITHER JSU GOING BY THE PEDS I SEE AND THE WORD I HEAR.

Tony

Subject: Re: GAFF Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:22 pm

tonka wrote:

lopchad wrote:: I HAVE SEEN ALOT OF GAFF DOGS THAT HAVE WORKING TITLES.

I AM NOT BASHING THIS LINE I AM TELLINGYOU WHAT "I" SEE ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS.. THESE ALSO MAY NOT BE YOUR "TRUE" GAFF DOGS EITHER JSU GOING BY THE PEDS I SEE AND THE WORD I HEAR.

Tony

Hey Tony,

I don't think that Lopchad is saying you were bashing the line. I think they were saying what they've seen/heard. Very Happy

Subject: Re: GAFF Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:56 am

Well Pam Carter
started out in 1980 and was mentored by the great Dick and Nancy Jones
of Tufftown Kennels. She purchased GRCH PR Our Gangs Seiko a pup and
GRCH Tufftown's Sophie (Siekos aunt). These two were eventually bred a
few times and in the second litter a legend was born. CH Devenport's
Coolhand Luke (Top Guns sire) Who was sold to Roger Devenport orginator
of Knolwoods Kennels. Well Richard used Luke as his foundation male
and eventually added in some wizard Gator blood from Benny Cheeks who
started out UKC and is now world renowned for his AKC BENMAR dogs..
Roger was like a darwin effect he evolutionized the apbt of the time
and made them shorter but maintained bone, substance, chest, head and
overall breed type. Well Roger bought a tyrrar bitch (AKC) Trixie and
bred her to Luke(UKC) and produced GRCH Knowlwoods Dusty, Dusty was
then bred to Gator and produced GRCH Knowlwoods Kellsey (TOP GUNS
DAM). Well unfortunately after a few years of great sucess and lots
of Luck Roger left the breed and Luke was offered back to his breeder
Pam Carter. And along the way Pam bought a beautiful 6 month old female
from Roger (Kellsey) who at 6 months old her first time in the ring she
won Best of Breed Handled by Roger who regreted ever selling her
lol. Pam Took Granpa Luke to his Grandaughter Kellsey and Top Gun,
Grace, Dolly, Liston, Lexxus and many other greats were born. And that
is part of the way it all began

"Here is some
information given to me by Pam Carter from Gaff Kennels; Although the
American Staffordshire Terrier gained American Kennel Club registration
and recognition in 1936; few people have studied the AKC registration
history, but I find it very interesting. The official standard for the
American Staffordshire Terrier was written on June 10th 1936. Prior to
1936, all Staffordshire Terriers were UKC registered American Pit Bull
Terriers, if they were registered at all. For a time during the 50's
and early 60's, a UKC registered American Pit Bull Terriers, could be
shown in AKC conformation shows with Staffordshire Terriers and be
awarded Champion status; however those dogs could not be bred into
Staffordshire Terrier bloodlines. On February 18, 1960 the AKC changed
that rule; thus allowing many more American Pit Bull Terriers from
from both Irish and English backgrounds be added into the AKC stud
books. A registered UKC American Pit Bull Terrier, who had one AKC
dog in their first 3 generations and had a 3 point AKC conformation
show win could be bred to a AKC registered Staffordshire Terrier. The
offspring could be registered with the AKC if the owner of the AKC dog
petitioned the AKC not earlier then 60 days nor later then 3 weeks
prior to the contemplated breeding. Both owners had to certify to the
breeding and the resulting litter had to be submitted to the AKC not
later then 60 days from the date of whelping. This rule change only
lasted for 3 years after which the AKC stud books were closed; the
American Pit Bull Terrier was no longer permitted to register with AKC
and thus creating a tight gene pool for the Staffordshire Terrier"

this is from the "Gaff board"

http://groups.msn.com/Gaff/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=32766&LastModified=4675629613574940119