What are your views on dog breeding? Curious?

I was in another forum and boy did we get into a heated debate.LoL I wanted to ask this question here just out of curiosity,and to get a general idea of the experienced perception on dog breeding and what to you is the difference between a responsible breeder and a BYB?

there is already a thread on this subject i,m going to post a link and close this one.


http://www.pitbull-family.com/pit-bull-related-f1/worthy-of-breeding-t934.htm?highlight=worthy+of+breeding

Although the threads may be similar, I think she's wanting to know the difference in a true breeder, and a BYB....so lets keep it open for now

A BYB is someone who simply breeds dogs for no ther reason than wanting "good pets" or to make a buck. They usually have no idea of the lienage of their dogs and dont do anything with them other than treat as house pets, or keep em' neglected out in the yard.

Later, I'll make a more detailed post...but right now I just dont feel like it lol

I agree with Dunalp about the BYB. A true breeder is not in it for the money. They do it more to better the breed. They have 2 dogs with good bloodlines and that have accomplished something in life. Whether that be in the show ring, weightpull, obedience, agility, etc. A true breeder will also keep tabs on the offspring to make sure they grow up with no mental or physical problems.

I agree pitmama about being responsible enough to ensure the physical and mental health of your pups.So the breeders I see on websites on the net,They are BYB because they charge money for their pups,even though most I have seen know the bloodlines of their dogs? And who would you recommend getting pups from if people who charge you for a puppy are BYB's? Oh man, Sorry I am all confused now! LoL

Charging money for your pups doesn't make you a BYB. BYB's are usually in it only for the money and the prestige of breeding Pit Bulls. Someone who isn't a BYB can tell you bloodlines and history on the dog you are buying. Also, BYBs usually do not sell registered dogs, and do no kind of screening to place their puppies. They see the bottom line, the all mighty dollar. A good breeder will also be able to provide you with health certificates on the puppy, as well as a pedigree, and general info on the puppy. Most BYB don't take the time to research and learn the breed. They just throw two good looking dogs together and think they are breeding awesome Pit Bulls. Most BYB don't even think of the standard, or temperments of the animals they are breeding. They are just breeding them to make some money. In order to be a good breeder, you have to throw all your own superficial ways aside and strive to better the breed!

- Saying you have a dog from "Champion lines".
- Aren't active in the dog world or working the dogs in working sports
- Health tests, to me are a big thing, though to some ADBA/AADR breeders they are not. It's a valuable tool and should be utilized.
- Breeding dogs way out of standard and attempting to claim they're not mix.
- Unable, through DNA if necessary, to prove the parentage of the puppies.

etc.

Here are a few good links (Non-APBT, but you get the idea)
http://www.cfgdr.org/breeders.html
http://www.phouka.com/puppy/bdr_ethics.html
http://www.phouka.com/puppy/bdr_irres.html
http://www.phouka.com/puppy/bdr_questions.html

shadowwolf wrote:

- Saying you have a dog from "Champion lines".
- Aren't active in the dog world or working the dogs in working sports
- Health tests, to me are a big thing, though to some ADBA/AADR breeders they are not. It's a valuable tool and should be utilized.
- Breeding dogs way out of standard and attempting to claim they're not mix.
- Unable, through DNA if necessary, to prove the parentage of the puppies.

etc.

Here are a few good links (Non-APBT, but you get the idea)
http://www.cfgdr.org/breeders.html
http://www.phouka.com/puppy/bdr_ethics.html
http://www.phouka.com/puppy/bdr_irres.html
http://www.phouka.com/puppy/bdr_questions.html

Not just SAYING you have a dog from Champion lines, but a good breeder PROVES it. One champ 4-5 gens back doesnt make the dog worth of breeding, IMO.

Also a good breeder understands the difference/similarites between inbreeding, linebreeding, and scatterbreeding. And knows how using each will affect the dogs produced. I've seen a lot of BYBs associate an inbred litter to human cousins, etc having children and them not producing the most...capable children. Granted, the same can occur with dogs, good breeders go out of their way to make sure in their breeding program bad genes dont get doubled up, producing an unhealthy or faulty pup.

That's a good point snoopsnoop. I didn't think about mentioning inbreeding. That is a huge problem in my area...most people who breed are BYB and are inbreeding dogs so heavily many of the puppies aren't surviving...and the ones that do end up being messed up.

Yes inbreeding are one of the things I want to learn how to avoid with the next puppy I buy whenever that will be.I am just trying to find out how to identify a good match for me and my kids and older dogs and how to avoid bad breeders.The other place I asked everyone just started arguing so I said forget it! LOL

Oh yeah I forgot Thanks for the links and tips everyone!

marlenadee wrote:

Yes inbreeding are one of the things I want to learn how to avoid with the next puppy I buy whenever that will be.I am just trying to find out how to identify a good match for me and my kids and older dogs and how to avoid bad breeders.The other place I asked everyone just started arguing so I said forget it! LOL

Inbreeding and linebreeding are a necessary evil to keep the breed running true.

marlenadee wrote:

I was in another forum and boy did we get into a heated debate.LoL I wanted to ask this question here just out of curiosity,and to get a general idea of the experienced perception on dog breeding and what to you is the difference between a responsible breeder and a BYB?

Responsible breeders...
http://www.paw-rescue.org/PAW/PETTIPS/DogTip_breedersandpetshops.php

Thanks Suki.I guess it won't get any clearer than that.Great link to have in my references! That was very informative...